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The discussion page of Free Thinking Individuals Throughout the Shenandoah Valley. ------------------ "Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard, solid thinking. There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked solutions. Nothing pains some people more than having to think." ...Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Last night John McCain gave his acceptance speech to the Republican parishioners. He announced that after being in Congresss for 26 years, 12 with Republican control, and 4 years with both a Republican President and a Republican Congress...his "Change is Coming".
And the assembled crowd wept.
This is why most Americans look at the Republican Party and shake their head. They just don't get it.
Bubby, as usual you are wrong. McCain has been working with the Dems--much to the consternation of the conservatives in his party--for decades. It's Barach Hussein Obama and Plagerizing Joe Biden who never work across the isle. The electorate doesn't want or accept the ultra-liberal agenda. That's why Obama and P Joe try to hide how liberal they are. You and your rabid lefty friends are who "don't get it." That's why everybody feels sorry for you.
The Conservatives are extinct Rudder. The last died off with the Republican Congress'doubling of the national debt and George Bush's entanglement in Iraq. There are no Conservative Republicans, there is only a loose affiliation of Neo-Conservatives (former liberal academics), rightwing religious fundamentalists, and a pod of cynical political fixers pumping up the "low information" voters with the same junk-food issues that attract you.
America watched as over 500,000 jobs disappeared since the beginning of the year, and the unemployment rate rose to +6%... wondering what the Republican Party would suggest. The answer: Politics, Petroleum, and War. Good luck selling that.
Yeah, McCain will reject 8 years of Bush and bring real change to D.C.
Maybe all these unemployed people ARE the Republican tax cut plan.
Good news: Your payroll tax has been cut to 0%.
Bad news: You don't have a job.
Bubby, sorry you are ignorant of what is going on in the world, but let me help. Great Britain, Europe, even China are going into recessions, having problems with liquidity, and debt. Did the Republicans ruin the economies of all those countries, too? And governments don't create jobs, they get out of the way and allow free markets to create them. Your idea of a job is for the president to put you to work creating logging roads like FDR did during the recession. Obama's idea to help the economy is to raise taxes on the businesses which create jobs.
Here's a clue. I AGREE with you on what you said about Republicans being out of control spenders. Those who are responsible are not conservatives. Vote them out. But don't replace them with liberals, who make no pretense of trying to cut spending. If, IF out of control spending really bothered you, you would never vote for Dems. And who do you think is more likely to veto pork spending, J McCain against a Dem controlled house and senate, or Obama under the same conditions? Try to be honest and thoughtful.
Rudder: I guess I'll have to remind you once more that Democrat Bill Clinton left office with a budget surplus - on track to eliminate the national debt by 2011.
He did this by hiring smart guys like Robert Rubin - a brilliant guy, and working both sides of the balance sheet, and making America a good investment for foreign investors. The dollar's value has dropped in half during the Bush years - foreign investors don't trust Bush to manage our economy.
What is the McCain budget plan? Bush is currently generating the largest budget deficit in American History - $500 billion/year. How would Governor Snow Bunny address this budget disaster?
Nice try, Bubby, but Clinton balanced the budget because he had a Republican Congress trying to keep his spending down, they imposed upon him to accept welfare reform, and we had the largest stockmarket/dotcom bubble ever, which increased taxes paid to government. Once the bubble burst, the surplus ceased. Giving credit to Clinton for that is no different than giving him credit for the moon revolving around the earth, since it did approximately 1x per month while he was in office. I WISH I was stupid enough to believe a president could cause the surplus. It takes both houses of congress, no matter which side controls them, the president, and a good economy. The Governor, who is more popular than community organizer B. Hussein Obama, by the way, will cut spending. You can't tax your way out of a deficit during an economic downturn.
Yeah well George Bush had a Republican Congress and still managed to double the national debt AND the balloon the budget deficit - so your theory is nonsense.
Lets get back to something you are supposed to know something about: What is the McCain/Palin plan to restore fiscal control, and create jobs? Focus.
Sorry, Bubby, I reject the entire premise, I have no idea what his plan is, and I have no desire to learn. I don't believe president's place is to "create jobs." As far as cutting spending, the President can only veto bills that are proposed by Congress. If the Dems control congress enough to override a veto, the deficit spending will be on them. My biggest complaint about GWB is that he never vetoed a spending bill, and increased spending on farm subsidies and no child left behind etc. But the answer isn't to insert some big spending liberal in his place, it's to insert someone who will go against his own party (hence the appeal of "the maverick") if necessary to cut spending. There is a chance, A CHANCE, that McCain might fight to cut spending. There is ZERO chance that a dem house, senate and president Obama will cut spending.
"Sorry, Bubby, I reject the entire premise, I have no idea what his plan is, and I have no desire to learn."
Well, that about sums it up.
Yeah, like you can explain Obama's "plan." Quick, let me hear it. Other than tax and spend, erect barriers to trade, and burden the economy with billions of more expenses fighting "global warming." Come on, smart guy, quick, tell me his plan, without consulting some Democrapic talking points.
I really do like Sarah Palin as a politician just like I admire Bill Clinton's political skills. What I don't like is the local Valley Repubs saying a pro choice woman would have aborted the child. Not only is this totally wrong but its not even relevant to anything. What a turn off. I went to a local Repub meeting and noone mentioned health care. They just talked about what courage Sarah Palin show and how she "walked the walk". While its admirable but so what????? What a joke!!
I understand Sarah Palin also supports education about contraceptives in the schools. This lady is tough. I just can't stand all these wackos who attach their own views to her. Many pro choice women would have made the same decisions. And, it has nothing to do with any relevant issue. I was a solid Repub before I came to the Valley. Now, I'm a solid independent. Enough of my ranting but I'm angry.
We do not support government bailouts of private institutions. Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the marketplace and causes the free market to take longer to correct itself. We believe in the free market as the best tool to sustained prosperity and opportunity for all.
-Republican Party Platform, 2008
"Laws shouldn't bail out lenders. Laws shouldn't help speculators."
-President Bush 5/19/08
"The fact is, the markets work, and they are working. And people - some of the big companies obviously - have taken risks. Risk means risk. And there's an upside as well as a downside in some of the choices they've made. We have to be careful not to have this set of developments lead us to significantly expand the role of government in ways that may do damage long-term for the economy. We don't want to interfere with the basic, fundamental working of the markets."
-Dick Cheney 11/26/07
"What exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger"...
-Sarah Palin, Republican National Convention
The Bush administration on Sunday said it was taking over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the troubled mortgage companies that play a key role in the U.S. housing industry. The administration said it would funnel billions of dollars in taxpayer money into the companies to help keep them afloat.
-www.npr.org
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